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		<title>By: Open Sesame &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Calling all Catalogers</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/bibliosnet-and-the-future-of-cataloging/#comment-3478</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Sesame &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Calling all Catalogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you want to learn more you can read through the documentation on the site and/or take a peek at this great write up by Jonathan Rochkind. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Etienne Posthumus</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/bibliosnet-and-the-future-of-cataloging/#comment-3477</link>
		<dc:creator>Etienne Posthumus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,

You can selectively harvest based on date ranges and other criteria. See: http://www.openarchives.org/OAI/openarchivesprotocol.html#SelectiveHarvestingandDatestamps

And if your OAI server is flexible enough, you can come up with all manner of virtual feeds to cater to whims.

I don&#039;t like OAI-PMH as a protocol much, being a re-invention of some wheels. But it is mature enough and so widely adopted that it has become a de-facto standard. And that is often the best ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>You can selectively harvest based on date ranges and other criteria. See: <a href="http://www.openarchives.org/OAI/openarchivesprotocol.html#SelectiveHarvestingandDatestamps" rel="nofollow">http://www.openarchives.org/OAI/openarchivesprotocol.html#SelectiveHarvestingandDatestamps</a></p>
<p>And if your OAI server is flexible enough, you can come up with all manner of virtual feeds to cater to whims.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like OAI-PMH as a protocol much, being a re-invention of some wheels. But it is mature enough and so widely adopted that it has become a de-facto standard. And that is often the best ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Galen Charlton</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/bibliosnet-and-the-future-of-cataloging/#comment-3476</link>
		<dc:creator>Galen Charlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We would define a few simple sets for use by OAI-PMH clients - updates in the past 24 hours, new records in the past week, etc.  We already have most of the code we need to implement OAI-PMH support, which is why it would be released sooner, but we also plan to add support for Atom feeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We would define a few simple sets for use by OAI-PMH clients &#8211; updates in the past 24 hours, new records in the past week, etc.  We already have most of the code we need to implement OAI-PMH support, which is why it would be released sooner, but we also plan to add support for Atom feeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Rochkind</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/bibliosnet-and-the-future-of-cataloging/#comment-3473</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Rochkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha, I was curious if holdings tracking was part of the biblios.net plan. So it is. Interesting. 

I&#039;m not sure OAI-PMH is the best way to get records, but perhaps. Is there any way to limit your OAI-PMH (or any other API) feed to only certain records, and/or only records that have been modified since X date?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha, I was curious if holdings tracking was part of the biblios.net plan. So it is. Interesting. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure OAI-PMH is the best way to get records, but perhaps. Is there any way to limit your OAI-PMH (or any other API) feed to only certain records, and/or only records that have been modified since X date?</p>
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		<title>By: Galen Charlton</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/bibliosnet-and-the-future-of-cataloging/#comment-3472</link>
		<dc:creator>Galen Charlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer one of Nathan&#039;s questions, we&#039;re planning to add an OAI-PMH service to ‡biblios.net to allow users to drink from the firehose of new and updated records.  Furthermore, once we add the ability to formally register a library&#039;s holdings in ‡biblios.net, more customized record update feeds won&#039;t be far behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer one of Nathan&#8217;s questions, we&#8217;re planning to add an OAI-PMH service to ‡biblios.net to allow users to drink from the firehose of new and updated records.  Furthermore, once we add the ability to formally register a library&#8217;s holdings in ‡biblios.net, more customized record update feeds won&#8217;t be far behind.</p>
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		<title>By: What I Learned Today&#8230; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Calling all Catalogers</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/bibliosnet-and-the-future-of-cataloging/#comment-3470</link>
		<dc:creator>What I Learned Today&#8230; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Calling all Catalogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you want to learn more you can read through the documentation on the site and/or take a peek at this great write up by Jonathan Rochkind. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: arkham</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/bibliosnet-and-the-future-of-cataloging/#comment-3459</link>
		<dc:creator>arkham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There’s no law that says you can’t compete with OCLC...I don’t see any reason OCLC needs a monopoly to stay useful and valuable.&quot;

I&#039;m not sure OCLC sees it that way.  The OCLC records policy certainly makes it seem to me they are doing everything they can to maintain their monopoly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There’s no law that says you can’t compete with OCLC&#8230;I don’t see any reason OCLC needs a monopoly to stay useful and valuable.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure OCLC sees it that way.  The OCLC records policy certainly makes it seem to me they are doing everything they can to maintain their monopoly.</p>
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		<title>By: The State of the Future of Cataloging &#171; Bibliographic Wilderness</title>
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		<dc:creator>The State of the Future of Cataloging &#171; Bibliographic Wilderness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recently blogged about biblios.net, and the Biblios Web Services (announcement and web page forthcoming, but hints [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Rochkind</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/bibliosnet-and-the-future-of-cataloging/#comment-3456</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Rochkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Nathan. 

Please note, because some people mis-read me, I am not encouraging anyone to stop submitting records to WorldCat. In fact, I am encouraging people to share their records far and wide in _as many_ places as possible.  What bothers me about WorldCat&#039;s attempt to control all our records is that it places _limits_ on sharing.  I&#039;d never stop sharing my records and holdings with WorldCat--so long as I was allowed to share them with others too. The more the merrier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Nathan. </p>
<p>Please note, because some people mis-read me, I am not encouraging anyone to stop submitting records to WorldCat. In fact, I am encouraging people to share their records far and wide in _as many_ places as possible.  What bothers me about WorldCat&#8217;s attempt to control all our records is that it places _limits_ on sharing.  I&#8217;d never stop sharing my records and holdings with WorldCat&#8211;so long as I was allowed to share them with others too. The more the merrier.</p>
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		<title>By: nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, 

I said: 

&quot;But I would guess WorldCat needs to have persons using them for all functions in order for them to remain useful and viable.&quot;

I should be more careful.  I wasn&#039;t thinking people need to exclusively use WorldCat.  But the fact of the matter is if certain, committed people do not loyally and selflessly produce many records for WorldCat, there will be fewer and fewer records that people can download.  I think that many institutions do not put much in but get a lot out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, </p>
<p>I said: </p>
<p>&#8220;But I would guess WorldCat needs to have persons using them for all functions in order for them to remain useful and viable.&#8221;</p>
<p>I should be more careful.  I wasn&#8217;t thinking people need to exclusively use WorldCat.  But the fact of the matter is if certain, committed people do not loyally and selflessly produce many records for WorldCat, there will be fewer and fewer records that people can download.  I think that many institutions do not put much in but get a lot out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Rochkind</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/bibliosnet-and-the-future-of-cataloging/#comment-3442</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Rochkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt LibLime is up for sale. They are currently doing quite well, have been expanding rapidly lately, and like what they&#039;re doing. 

It&#039;s not clear to me what legal action OCLC could take against LibLime, if they have any legal basis whatsoever to try and stop them. I can&#039;t think of any. There&#039;s no law that says you can&#039;t compete with OCLC.

Nathan, what makes you say that WorldCat can&#039;t be useful and valuable to it&#039;s customers unless it&#039;s the _only_ service it&#039;s customers use for copy cataloging? Of course, that&#039;s already not true, many OCLC members already buy cataloging records from various for-profit vendors, in addition to using WorldCat for copy cataloging. 

I don&#039;t see any reason OCLC needs a monopoly to stay useful and valuable. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt LibLime is up for sale. They are currently doing quite well, have been expanding rapidly lately, and like what they&#8217;re doing. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not clear to me what legal action OCLC could take against LibLime, if they have any legal basis whatsoever to try and stop them. I can&#8217;t think of any. There&#8217;s no law that says you can&#8217;t compete with OCLC.</p>
<p>Nathan, what makes you say that WorldCat can&#8217;t be useful and valuable to it&#8217;s customers unless it&#8217;s the _only_ service it&#8217;s customers use for copy cataloging? Of course, that&#8217;s already not true, many OCLC members already buy cataloging records from various for-profit vendors, in addition to using WorldCat for copy cataloging. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any reason OCLC needs a monopoly to stay useful and valuable.</p>
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		<title>By: Panch</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/bibliosnet-and-the-future-of-cataloging/#comment-3440</link>
		<dc:creator>Panch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How long do you think it will take before OCLC:

a) Takes legal action against LibLime
or
b) Makes an offer to purchase LibLime

I would be quite surprised if they have not inquired about option b yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long do you think it will take before OCLC:</p>
<p>a) Takes legal action against LibLime<br />
or<br />
b) Makes an offer to purchase LibLime</p>
<p>I would be quite surprised if they have not inquired about option b yet.</p>
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		<title>By: nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,

Great write up.  Thank you.  VERY INTERESTING stuff here.  

&quot;The other barrier to harnessing more of our collective data to improve our cooperative cataloging quality is technological/workflow. We need software supporting cataloging workflow that both automatically sends changes to the shared store, and automatically downloads any new changes to one’s local catalog.  It can’t be an extra step to submit or fetch corrected and enhanced records, we need the machines to do this for us.&quot;

Jonathan - do you know if it can give reports everyday of records that have been updated and has an &quot;opt out&quot; option for individual record improvements?  

If so, I can see this being very useful - if not, perhaps it could become a nuisance and unwieldy.  

&quot;I can think of various scenarios for using biblios.net and Worldcat together, but I’m not really an expert in current cataloging workflows.&quot;

But I would guess WorldCat needs to have persons using them for all functions in order for them to remain useful and viable.  

It seems to me that this move might force some OCLC changes that otherwise would be much slower in coming...

~Nathan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>Great write up.  Thank you.  VERY INTERESTING stuff here.  </p>
<p>&#8220;The other barrier to harnessing more of our collective data to improve our cooperative cataloging quality is technological/workflow. We need software supporting cataloging workflow that both automatically sends changes to the shared store, and automatically downloads any new changes to one’s local catalog.  It can’t be an extra step to submit or fetch corrected and enhanced records, we need the machines to do this for us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jonathan &#8211; do you know if it can give reports everyday of records that have been updated and has an &#8220;opt out&#8221; option for individual record improvements?  </p>
<p>If so, I can see this being very useful &#8211; if not, perhaps it could become a nuisance and unwieldy.  </p>
<p>&#8220;I can think of various scenarios for using biblios.net and Worldcat together, but I’m not really an expert in current cataloging workflows.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I would guess WorldCat needs to have persons using them for all functions in order for them to remain useful and viable.  </p>
<p>It seems to me that this move might force some OCLC changes that otherwise would be much slower in coming&#8230;</p>
<p>~Nathan</p>
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