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	<title>Comments for Bibliographic Wilderness</title>
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		<title>Comment on digital media in dissertations by Jodi Schneider</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/digital-media-in-dissertations/#comment-4788</link>
		<dc:creator>Jodi Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A similar question of &#039;supplementary files&#039; also comes up in publishing these days. A look at dissertations (and other reports) in that vein would be interesting.

Supplementary materials came up at CrossRef09 (which I heard about via Todd Carpenter who &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/TAC_NISO/status/5532157738&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;twittered about&lt;/a&gt; a CrossRef Technical WG paper by
the AGU&#039;s Sasha Schwarzman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A similar question of &#8217;supplementary files&#8217; also comes up in publishing these days. A look at dissertations (and other reports) in that vein would be interesting.</p>
<p>Supplementary materials came up at CrossRef09 (which I heard about via Todd Carpenter who <a href="http://twitter.com/TAC_NISO/status/5532157738" rel="nofollow">twittered about</a> a CrossRef Technical WG paper by<br />
the AGU&#8217;s Sasha Schwarzman.</p>
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		<title>Comment on digital media in dissertations by Paul R. Pival</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/digital-media-in-dissertations/#comment-4787</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul R. Pival</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, ProQuest Dissertations and Theses does offer Supplemental Files with some of the dissertations.  If you use the advanced search screen you&#039;ll get an index option of &quot;Supplemental Files&quot; which includes Audio, Code/Script, Data, Image, Other, PDF, Presentation, Spreadsheet, Document, Unknown, Video, and Web Page.  So they&#039;re moving in the right direction!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, ProQuest Dissertations and Theses does offer Supplemental Files with some of the dissertations.  If you use the advanced search screen you&#8217;ll get an index option of &#8220;Supplemental Files&#8221; which includes Audio, Code/Script, Data, Image, Other, PDF, Presentation, Spreadsheet, Document, Unknown, Video, and Web Page.  So they&#8217;re moving in the right direction!</p>
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		<title>Comment on bibliographic wilderness&#8217;s readers by A reasonable display for series data in MARC?</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/bibliographic-wildernesss-readers/#comment-4782</link>
		<dc:creator>A reasonable display for series data in MARC?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I know plenty of catalogers read my blog  (or used to).  Appreciate any feedback or advice you have on [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on digital media in dissertations by jrochkind</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/digital-media-in-dissertations/#comment-4781</link>
		<dc:creator>jrochkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, if it takes up front review/enhancement of metadata to get that &#039;google juice&#039;, then odds are that most repos _don&#039;t_ have it. Which is unfortunate, that&#039;s probably the only way a typical person is going to happen upon a repo -- even me who knows how is too lazy to go track down the U of O repo individually and figure out how to search it for the dissertation I want, which may or may not be there -- unless I really really want the dissertation. And most users wouldn&#039;t even think to do that, even if they&#039;re not as lazy as me. 

So that google hit is pretty awesome, nice job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, if it takes up front review/enhancement of metadata to get that &#8216;google juice&#8217;, then odds are that most repos _don&#8217;t_ have it. Which is unfortunate, that&#8217;s probably the only way a typical person is going to happen upon a repo &#8212; even me who knows how is too lazy to go track down the U of O repo individually and figure out how to search it for the dissertation I want, which may or may not be there &#8212; unless I really really want the dissertation. And most users wouldn&#8217;t even think to do that, even if they&#8217;re not as lazy as me. </p>
<p>So that google hit is pretty awesome, nice job.</p>
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		<title>Comment on digital media in dissertations by Ann Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We get about a 75% agreement for putting theses or dissertations into Scholars&#039; Bank.  And we have folks deciding later as well, so we do some retrospective scanning.

As for the Google search.  I firmly believe it&#039;s down to our review and enhancement of the supplied metadata.  The initial outlay of time and energy is more than rewarded by enhanced discovery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We get about a 75% agreement for putting theses or dissertations into Scholars&#8217; Bank.  And we have folks deciding later as well, so we do some retrospective scanning.</p>
<p>As for the Google search.  I firmly believe it&#8217;s down to our review and enhancement of the supplied metadata.  The initial outlay of time and energy is more than rewarded by enhanced discovery.</p>
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		<title>Comment on digital media in dissertations by jrochkind</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/digital-media-in-dissertations/#comment-4779</link>
		<dc:creator>jrochkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ann, interesting to get the back end from someone at the U of Oregon, although that really just happened to be the example in this (real world) case, I didn&#039;t mean to pick on you. 

Neat that a google search DOES work quite perfectly to find the record in your repo.  Wonder how typical that it is for academic repos.

Also interesting that you do manage to put all Dissertations immediately in public access full text?  Repo stuff isnt&#039; really my world, but I thought a lot of universities were having problems with scholars saying they didn&#039;t want the dissertation publically accessible in the repo, because they planned to make a book out of it that they wanted to sell.  Either I was over-estimating the extent of that problem, or U of O has managed it, cool. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ann, interesting to get the back end from someone at the U of Oregon, although that really just happened to be the example in this (real world) case, I didn&#8217;t mean to pick on you. </p>
<p>Neat that a google search DOES work quite perfectly to find the record in your repo.  Wonder how typical that it is for academic repos.</p>
<p>Also interesting that you do manage to put all Dissertations immediately in public access full text?  Repo stuff isnt&#8217; really my world, but I thought a lot of universities were having problems with scholars saying they didn&#8217;t want the dissertation publically accessible in the repo, because they planned to make a book out of it that they wanted to sell.  Either I was over-estimating the extent of that problem, or U of O has managed it, cool.</p>
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		<title>Comment on digital media in dissertations by Ann Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the U. of Oregon we do not yet have ETD&#039;s but we have a &quot;manual&quot; work around.  In this case, we do have a copy in our repository (Googling it works) though without the accompanying material.  Some of that is due to our process and some due to technical &amp; copyright issues.  The material in our repository and in ProQuest has been scanned from print copies and accompanying material must be dealt with separately.  

We hope in our new submission process the candidate will be able to submit the accompanying material alongside the dissertation and we&#039;ll acquire them for our IR as a part of the that process.  As you note there are copyright issues, particularly with performed music, and these are not insignificant.  

We do want to include accompanying material of whatever kind as long as we have the right and ability to do so.  However, we will still face technical, policy and administrative issues.  Not least of those are declining financial and staff support to &quot;just&quot; make the change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the U. of Oregon we do not yet have ETD&#8217;s but we have a &#8220;manual&#8221; work around.  In this case, we do have a copy in our repository (Googling it works) though without the accompanying material.  Some of that is due to our process and some due to technical &amp; copyright issues.  The material in our repository and in ProQuest has been scanned from print copies and accompanying material must be dealt with separately.  </p>
<p>We hope in our new submission process the candidate will be able to submit the accompanying material alongside the dissertation and we&#8217;ll acquire them for our IR as a part of the that process.  As you note there are copyright issues, particularly with performed music, and these are not insignificant.  </p>
<p>We do want to include accompanying material of whatever kind as long as we have the right and ability to do so.  However, we will still face technical, policy and administrative issues.  Not least of those are declining financial and staff support to &#8220;just&#8221; make the change.</p>
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		<title>Comment on digital media in dissertations by Sarah Shreeves</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/digital-media-in-dissertations/#comment-4775</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Shreeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At Illinois, where we&#039;ve just started an ETD program, we made a point of asking for the appendices that would normally be put on a cd or dvd in the back of the dissertation. So we will be making those available in IDEALS. This was very encouraging news to the School of Music as well as others...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At Illinois, where we&#8217;ve just started an ETD program, we made a point of asking for the appendices that would normally be put on a cd or dvd in the back of the dissertation. So we will be making those available in IDEALS. This was very encouraging news to the School of Music as well as others&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on digital media in dissertations by Dorothea</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/digital-media-in-dissertations/#comment-4774</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MPOW is moving toward electronic dissertations in part BECAUSE of this problem. The engineer on the Graduate School committee argued forcefully that many dissertations from his department were essentially useless without their data alongside.

FWIW, ProQuest is planning to make submitted data available. Someday. So they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MPOW is moving toward electronic dissertations in part BECAUSE of this problem. The engineer on the Graduate School committee argued forcefully that many dissertations from his department were essentially useless without their data alongside.</p>
<p>FWIW, ProQuest is planning to make submitted data available. Someday. So they say.</p>
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		<title>Comment on digital media in dissertations by Deborah Fitchett</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/digital-media-in-dissertations/#comment-4770</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah Fitchett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 05:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely.  The entire dissertation, including all attachments, has to be submitted both in print and in electronic copies.  --In searching for policy that says this explicitly I find some pages require updating, but you can see &lt;a href=&quot;http://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/handle/10092/1005&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an example&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely.  The entire dissertation, including all attachments, has to be submitted both in print and in electronic copies.  &#8211;In searching for policy that says this explicitly I find some pages require updating, but you can see <a href="http://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/handle/10092/1005" rel="nofollow">an example</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on digital media in dissertations by jrochkind</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/digital-media-in-dissertations/#comment-4769</link>
		<dc:creator>jrochkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But if there were a CD attached to the dissertation, would it be included in your repository?   That would be encouraging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if there were a CD attached to the dissertation, would it be included in your repository?   That would be encouraging.</p>
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		<title>Comment on digital media in dissertations by Deborah Fitchett</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/digital-media-in-dissertations/#comment-4767</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah Fitchett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At University of Canterbury, all dissertations have to have a digital copy as well as an electronic copy submitted, and these are made available to anyone on our institutional repository, whence they&#039;re indexed by the national research repository and by Google (and possibly other repositories, I forget).  It&#039;s just something people have to do to graduate.

On the interloans side of things, a lot of universities will ILL a physical copy of the dissertation, it&#039;s just they generally make them for-library-use-only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At University of Canterbury, all dissertations have to have a digital copy as well as an electronic copy submitted, and these are made available to anyone on our institutional repository, whence they&#8217;re indexed by the national research repository and by Google (and possibly other repositories, I forget).  It&#8217;s just something people have to do to graduate.</p>
<p>On the interloans side of things, a lot of universities will ILL a physical copy of the dissertation, it&#8217;s just they generally make them for-library-use-only.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DAIA and ILS complexity by How to encode the availability of documents &#171; Jakoblog — Das Weblog von Jakob Voß</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/daia-and-ils-complexity/#comment-4753</link>
		<dc:creator>How to encode the availability of documents &#171; Jakoblog — Das Weblog von Jakob Voß</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and schemas &#8211; Jonathan Rochkind already wrote about the problems to implement DAIA because of ILS complexity. We cannot erase this complexity by magic (unless we refactor and clean the ILS), but at least we [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and schemas &#8211; Jonathan Rochkind already wrote about the problems to implement DAIA because of ILS complexity. We cannot erase this complexity by magic (unless we refactor and clean the ILS), but at least we [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on interests&#8230; by texts for nothing : A war on digital content in libraries?</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/interests/#comment-4750</link>
		<dc:creator>texts for nothing : A war on digital content in libraries?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] feel that e-books in libraries are incompatible with their business model. The fact that this violates the spirit (and possibly the letter) of the first sale doctrine is apparently not an issue for them. They can&#8217;t figure out how to adapt to the modern world, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] feel that e-books in libraries are incompatible with their business model. The fact that this violates the spirit (and possibly the letter) of the first sale doctrine is apparently not an issue for them. They can&#8217;t figure out how to adapt to the modern world, [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on interests&#8230; by Jonathan Rochkind</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/interests/#comment-4746</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Rochkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, thanks Warren.  I wonder if first sale will come before a court applied to e-books before it gets all settled with regard to software;  I think e-books would probably make an even more compelling case for first sale doctrine applying, if the law doesn&#039;t get settled to the contrary before then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, thanks Warren.  I wonder if first sale will come before a court applied to e-books before it gets all settled with regard to software;  I think e-books would probably make an even more compelling case for first sale doctrine applying, if the law doesn&#8217;t get settled to the contrary before then.</p>
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		<title>Comment on interests&#8230; by Warren</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/interests/#comment-4745</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue of the First Sale Doctrine being applied to licensed materials was recently before a US federal court. In that ruling, the court stated that the First Sale Doctrine does apply to licensed software:

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/10/it-s-still-duck-court-re-affirms-first-sale-doctri

Likely to be appealed, though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue of the First Sale Doctrine being applied to licensed materials was recently before a US federal court. In that ruling, the court stated that the First Sale Doctrine does apply to licensed software:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/10/it-s-still-duck-court-re-affirms-first-sale-doctri" rel="nofollow">http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/10/it-s-still-duck-court-re-affirms-first-sale-doctri</a></p>
<p>Likely to be appealed, though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on cataloging and &#8216;citations&#8217; by Irvin Flack</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/09/30/cataloging-and-citations/#comment-4744</link>
		<dc:creator>Irvin Flack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I didn&#039;t mean to sound that harsh re RDA: I think what has been achieved is fantastic.

One of RDA&#039;s major difficulties is that, like AACR, it&#039;s set of content guidelines: just one layer of the stack, and not the bottom layer. Other layers, particularly the domain model and the vocabularies, should have been laid down _before_ the guidelines.  Instead, we&#039;ve taken the content guidelines and then extrapolated what the vocabularies and domain model should be. It&#039;s like building a house from the top down. But it&#039;s happening, (see the RDA vocabularies), which is the main thing.

Shawne, I agree about the fundamentals of AACR being quick to learn: but I would say the best way to learn them is not to read AACR. ;-) A good teacher or mentor is the best, or at least a good textbook.

Having said that, after just using AACR as a tool for years, I actually once read it from front to back like a novel when I had a spare few weeks (long story!). By the end I was left  feeling awed by the intellectual achievement it embodies and the years of collective cataloguing wisdom captured in it. But I probably wouldn&#039;t recommend non-cataloguers doing it, unless they were insomniacs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I didn&#8217;t mean to sound that harsh re RDA: I think what has been achieved is fantastic.</p>
<p>One of RDA&#8217;s major difficulties is that, like AACR, it&#8217;s set of content guidelines: just one layer of the stack, and not the bottom layer. Other layers, particularly the domain model and the vocabularies, should have been laid down _before_ the guidelines.  Instead, we&#8217;ve taken the content guidelines and then extrapolated what the vocabularies and domain model should be. It&#8217;s like building a house from the top down. But it&#8217;s happening, (see the RDA vocabularies), which is the main thing.</p>
<p>Shawne, I agree about the fundamentals of AACR being quick to learn: but I would say the best way to learn them is not to read AACR. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  A good teacher or mentor is the best, or at least a good textbook.</p>
<p>Having said that, after just using AACR as a tool for years, I actually once read it from front to back like a novel when I had a spare few weeks (long story!). By the end I was left  feeling awed by the intellectual achievement it embodies and the years of collective cataloguing wisdom captured in it. But I probably wouldn&#8217;t recommend non-cataloguers doing it, unless they were insomniacs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Authenticating to Amazon Product API in ruby by Mike</title>
		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/authenticating-to-amazon-product-api-in-ruby/#comment-4742</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dubug has worked for me. Good luck</description>
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		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009/05/19/alternatives-to-amazon-api/#comment-4741</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im all set with Amazon...... moving to google as well.</description>
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		<link>http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/umlaut-digital-book/#comment-4740</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for resources. Im looking at one of hte Amazon digatal book readers right now and found this website.</description>
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